Quote of the day: Never give your secret to anyone because if you can’t keep it to yourself don’t expect others to.
NOTICE: THERE IS A MAJOR USE OF TEXT ENGLISH AND ABBREVIATIONS RATHER THAN THE PROPER ENGLISH.
Topic: What’s the difference between sin and crime?
Bose: Crime is a specific act committed in violation of the law, it is an action that is against the law, it is the civil law of the society while sin is a violation of God’s will, a violation of a moral or religious law.Crime is identified by the govt but sin is identified by God. Every crime can be regarded as a sin but every sin is not a crime. Sin is believed by religious people and ignored by non believers. Crime is something that is set by social codes of the country you live in,and if broken a penalty is to be paid.
Uleta: Well spoken
Uleta: Just as u said, they are both violations of law, one a violation of civil law and the latter a violation of moral law(Ethics). There is no basic difference. U get punished for both violations. Either by the government or by what ever u believe in if u don’t repent n acknowledge ur mistakes. Buh I don’t concur with the ur opinion that every crime can be regarded as a sin.
Bose: Noted but prove it wrong.
Uleta: From my own perspective, in the holy book, there were alot of killings that weren’t crimes. Stealing n looting all in the name of a particular religious believing that their God is the only trues God. The Bible specifically asked parents 2 not spare the rod n spoil the child buh my sister if u spank ur child oversees n he/she sues u 4 it, u r in shit.
Bose: LOL, U said bible not Nigeria. I accept your point but not in Nigeria tho
Uleta: When we talk about sin, morals n religious ethics are included. If u commit a crime n no one sees u, u r as free as anybody who has never committed any crime. That’s where religious ethics come in, uve not been penalised by the govt, but a penalty awaits u.
Bose: Yeap it is tru, I concur.
Jude: Most case there Is no repentant to acknowledgement of your crime, hope you are aware of that, so define your saying clear enough..
Good morning beautiful people.
Where there is no law there is no offense,crime or sin, it is the same. It only depend on who the offender is, you offend God, it regarded as sin, you go against law in govt, it regarded as crime crime, what about if you go against your wife,husband, Friends wish, what Is that called? Sin is typically base on d violation of morals and God is moral, so that is best describe it wen you violate his law, on the other hand, crime is still means violating d law! It never describe if it is Gods law or govt, as long you go against d law, you have sin/commit. Though sin is more intense because not all sin/moral people look as a crime, because they lack the knowledge of God.
CHRIS: They’re more or less the same thing; semantics, synonyms etc but they could be used interchangeably depending on the laws of English grammar one is utilising. But on a broader plane, they’re both attributed to laws. The King James bible is a translation of the original Greek/Hebrew texts. So, sin as used in the bible comes from the greek word ‘Harmattia’ which means to ‘miss the mark.’ God has His standards for mankind therefore anything short of those standards/expectations is tantamount to sin. Sin just means ‘to miss the mark’ from the original greek text. And what is sin by definition: it is the transgression of the law. What law? Gods law. What is crime? Crime comes from a latin root word Cerno, meaning ‘I decide, I give judgement.’ While every crime violates the law not every violation of the law counts as crime. For example, breaches of private laws are not automatically punishable by the state, but can be enforced through civil procedure. That’s the difference. And the earliest 13th century English based on Etymology derivable from King James era, defined crime as a sinful act. Like I said, they can be used interchangeably but notably in different context in religion and common law. However, one thing we need to know is that both sin and crime breach a law made by God or state. Consequences abound both ways as both God and state have jurisdiction to these things. Sin is forgiven by God when we repent but we can never escape its natural consequences. A crime is punishable by law depending on the penal code of offence after legal procedures have been undertaken. Yet, Gods legislation differs from state legislation so there can’t be cross carpeting which is why a sin exculpated by God will be punished by state and a crime acquitted by state may not escape the natural consequences of retributive justice based on Gods laws. For example, I commit a crime like murder for which there are procedures to which investigations and trials must adhere. If found guilty, as an offender, I may be sentenced to a form of reparation such as a community sentence, or, depending on the nature of my offence, to undergo imprisonment, life imprisonment or, in some jurisdictions, execution. But if I repent, God will forgive me but the state won’t because the natural consequences to sin/crime depending on the penal code or offence is defended by the state on Gods behalf. The bible says every authority is given by God including the state so the state represents Gods vengeance to sin based on the laws(state) it collectively makes to punish wrong doing- though God will pardon that soul from eternal damnation(that’s the difference). God has His Government, Grace and His Business. Under Gods government, He punishes evil(this is where the state also comes in cos God established the basis for mankind to form human governments where the state has been authorised to represent Him in the discharging of its functions to maintain law and order). Under His grace, God is merciful and offers salvation that leads to eternal life. Under His business, God is savvy and there are consequences to negligence and incompetence for which He has zero-tolerance. This is the character of God. So, both words are similar depending on the context it is used and applied. Thank you.
BENITA: he just said it.
CHRIS: Let me expound a bit more on the natural consequences to sins; there are two major laws in the world today established by God. The law of sin and death and the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus. The former is reason we face repercussions for our actions naturally whether we repent or not. What some may call ‘karma'(topic for another day). Because, by the law of sin and death, the 10 commandments subsist and all other laws for humanity. Which is why for example, pre-marital sex that leads to pregnancy, though one repents, doesn’t make the pregnancy go away. The natural consequence of that sin must take place. Same is the reason why we reap what we sow. They’re all applicable under the law of sin and death which was a law that came into our world when sin occurred in the garden of Eden between the first man and woman God made. Now, this same law hasn’t been taking away though Jesus has paid the ultimate price for sins and has introduced the new law which is the spirit of life in Christ Jesus, because there is an appointed time that God has set aside to terminate that law for all eternity. It is based on that first law that common law is practised/observed by the state. Thanks.
BENITA: What church do u attend?
CHRIS: Smiles. I attend the Household of God church but I read my bible. And there’s no way today’s topic would have been duly explained without making references to religion and common law.
S.M.G: Sin and Crime are not the same and so separation between Church and State is critical. While the two concepts overlap in many regards, ultimately they have different foundational basis.
Sin is an action, thought, or word that goes against a religious ideal. Be it Christianity, Islam or other demi gods.
if a deed/thought/word doesn’t promote inner and outer compassion of Christianity it’s simply sinful.
Islam believe of sin is more legalistic, this is where crime and sin come closest to overlapping. A sin is not an ideal (like love, compassion, empathy), but a specific divine commandment broken. These commands, or laws, once broken are both a crime and a sin.
Outside the scope of religion, a crime is not necessarily a sin and thankfully! not all sins are criminal. Just to summarize the whole story in simple terms for a lame person to under I would say: Sin is religious imposed while Crime is state imposed. Certain boundaries are required for humans to live holy and peacefully which brings about Sin and crime.. Sin and hell is God made while Crime and punishment is Man made….
EXAMPLE OF A SIN THAT’S NOT A CRIME; It is a sin to have sex before marriage but it is not a crime.
EXAMPLE OF A CRIME THAT’S NOT A SIN; breaking a curfew of a state is crime but it is never a sin.
CHRIS: Western civilisations that have Judeo/Christian legal templates constitute tenets of Christianity within their legal code. For example, America’s laws were initially founded upon the 10 commandments of the bible after Latin civil law. Therefore the rapproachment of state/church is predicated upon what is contained within its legislature. That’s how it works. If the state passes a bill that criminalises pre-marital sex, it will automatically become a crime and punishable under the criminal code. Whereas, such is already a sin based on Gods law. And as a Christian, we have been commanded by God to observe state Laws because all physical law is authorised by God or civil governments so once a Christian breaks a law on curfew, it has become a sin before God and a crime as well to the state. Michael, they are juxtaposed side by side because in its true sense, what makes a crime or sin is the breaking of either state law or Gods law. And state law can become Gods law, also, Gods law can become state law. They’re theocratic states(another topic).
BENITA: (*licks ice cream*) Don’t we just learn everyday
CHRIS: The constitution is the legal code of a country. Why is the Sharia law included in our constitution and enforceable in Sharia compliant states? Because its found in the constitution of Nigeria which is an encroachment of religion into civil liberties, law etc. What you need to understand is that what makes either of them sin/crime is what’s contained within the law. The Law determines that. Taking a cue from Gods law, the law according to the Old Testament of the bible is more than just the 10 commandments which is why the Jews couldn’t remember all of them. In the New Testament, there are commandments with the doctrine of our Lord Jesus Christ that must be adhered to as well. And we are commanded to observe state law in the New Testament. So, breaking state law is automatically a sin before God. And the priesthood of our Lord Jesus Christ is a rapproachment of both church and state into one. That’s part of the privileges of the New Testament. So, a crime is a sin before God and sin could become a crime as well once it is legislated into common Law of the state. That’s how it works. They’re intertwined together but the difference mainly between them isn’t on their practicality but on their terminological differences in language usage and legal parameters. Smiles.
S.M.G: The topic says What’s the difference between sin and crime? Not what are the similarities or in what way are they similar?
CHRIS: That’s what we’ve all been saying. You cannot distinguish them both without getting technical cos it is indeed a technical question. I just explained their similarity above bro. In some countries, adultery is a crime and it is damn well a sin. Those are similarities. Murder is a crime and a sin. Stealing(which is theft) is a crime and a sin.
S.M.G: We are not talking similarities, that’s the issue. Differences is what is needed.
CHRIS: The difference is in the law made by both legal entities.
CHRIS: Go over previous chats, I very well explained it.
S.M.G: I have but points u made after I ve said my own point of view, doesn’t fit the ans to the question.
CHRIS: There isn’t much difference under language and legal frameworks bro. That’s my point. I explained succinctly before. Read up. In plain terms; there isn’t much difference except that legal terminology uses the word crime to sin in terms of its nomenclature. What differs however is the law of either state or God. And most times, state/civil law and Gods law intertwine. Even in my house, I have my own laws separate from both state and God. You transgress them, it will be an offence to me. ‘Offence’ now is a substitute word for crime, here, or sin. So, semantics is involved as well. That’s how it works. Funny enough its a crime to walk into my sitting room without taking off your shoes. It violates my hygiene requirements so it automatically constitutes an offence to me be it whoever. I’m sure everyone has a law of their own. Even interpersonally, relationships. Nothing is without a law. But I cannot term my own law a state or divine law, no. That’s how it works. My own individual law can only become a state or divine law if God somehow in His sovereignty includes my law into His or the state does same. I’m trying to break it down for easy understanding that beyond the semantics involved and nomenclature, laws cross-carpet based on what is contained within diverse laws.
Teejay: oh? Una never finish?
Katie: LOL, abi
BENITA: Both of you shssssssss
Jude: You guys did justice to today’s topic, one thing Is to drop your point of view and why you think so.. The other is to learn, b it you are right or wrong, there is always something to pick… Hope you all had a great day.
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