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Topic: Does jealousy justify love, Is the act of jealousy a proof of love?
CHRIS: Saying jealousy is proof of love is like saying that acid is water whereas they’re two very different things.
CHRIS: Acid and water look alike but the difference is in the reaction to ones skin. Same is this uneven balance about jealousy with love. They are mutually exclusive.
Teejay: So people in love can’t be jealous and jealous people can’t be in love?
CHRIS: Yeah, they get jealous but in that instance, they’re not in love but in self-righteousness. Even jealousy isn’t defined as love. It is not a virtue, attribute, offshoot of love.
Teejay: So the Bible passage that Says God is a jealous God refers to him as self-righteous?
CHRIS: It is an offshoot of self-righteouness which is sinister. I knew you were going to exert that scripture Teejay so here it is.
Teejay: Sinister when exerted in excess
Katie: Jealousy is in two ways for every true love there must be an act of jealousy
Teejay: Katie, But it must not be in excess.
CHRIS: God in his sovereignty, vengeance and integrity, is entitled to self-righteousness cos He is the only potentate and righteous one. His jealousy is an attribute of His sovereign right and pre-eminence over all things and creation. No one has that exclusive right or prerogative except God. If you quote scriptures Teejay, I will have you know that the love chapter in the bible when listing out the virtues of love doesn’t mention jealousy as proof.
Teejay: I know that already.
CHRIS: Sinful humanity is jealous, even satan and his demons are jealous but they have no right to be except they occupy an exclusive right to be God. That’s how it works. Many misunderstand Gods jealousy and His right to be.
Teejay: this should be the proponent to work with first.
CHRIS: Jealousy can never be approved or ameliorated, tolerated or abated. Jealousy is jealousy and it has nothing to do with love. Jealousy by sinful humanity as distinct from divine jealousy is an offshoot of self-righteousness which is ridden in selfishness and depravity. That can never be love. All appearance of jealousy is evil! That’s putting it mildly.
Teejay: Now that you have shot your explanation into the sky. Please bring it down to earth, Let’s talk about the topic within the confines of humanity.
CHRIS: Love is a decision that one makes, it decides to love irrespective of the outcome to that love so jealousy can never be in consonant with love. They are two different things.
Teejay: Sinful or sinless, While I agree with your prognosis, I will add that at some point you will commit some acts of jealousy when you are in love.
Katie: Love is not a decision, It’s a feeling it’s natural, If it not natural venue feelings, Den it’s not love.
Teejay: Love is a decision o. The feeling na just decoration.
CHRIS: That can’t be love Teejay. That’s an innate response to selfishness and self-righteousness.
CHRIS: How can that be love. Jealousy is a feeling, envy for someone or something. How can that be love? Katie, love is not a feeling, emotion or sex. Though, love can be expressed along this soul compartments but love is none of them.
Katie: U getting me wrong.
CHRIS: The reason the world accommodates the likes of jealousy, feelings, emotions, sex into love is because they don’t know what love is in the first place.
Katie: Love is not a decision. Cus u don’t decide to love, It’s something dat comes on its own. Not a decision at all.
BENITA: I’ll faint, OMG.
CHRIS: So, how can you address something you don’t identify correctly. That’s the problem. That’s the problem with the world! The entire world. About 90% of humanity don’t understand love. That’s where the problem lies.
Katie: N if u say u love n u not jealous, N u not in love.
CHRIS: Love comes from nowhere Katie. Tell me where it comes from?? Please 8 want to n know more.
Katie: It’s a natural strong feelings u av for something anything and a person. It’s not what u decide on.
CHRIS: Katie, between now and another 2mins, your feelings will change so how can love be a feeling??
Katie: Decision to change
CHRIS: Please explain to me. So, if your feelings change per second then it means your love changes per second?
Katie: LOL, U getting me wrong.
CHRIS: Your emotions is the way you appreciate sentiments. How can that be love either? Your emotions are subjective. Always a result of some outside gratification. That’s can’t be love or else all humanity will be dead in your hands Katie. And it isn’t sex cos James Bond will kill a woman he sleeps with after the deed is done. So, how can sex be love either? Answer me Katie? I need you to be practical? And how can you be jealous of your lover, or an opposing entity to that love and call it love?
Katie: It’s starts frm likeness n that like Ness is being felt strongly before it proves or bcome love. Chris I can’t decide to love u
CHRIS: If you can’t decide to love me then your love will change with your feelings and emotions.
Katie: LOL, OK o, Anyways dis i.s based on individuality, Dats ur opinion abt love. U decide who u love.
CHRIS: So, I can’t even get involved with such a person cos there will be no concrete refusal to be compromised. Its not an opinion but fact Katie.
Teejay: Katie Lool… That’s what you think.
CHRIS: That means you’ve been loving wrong your whole life to have such a definition of love along susceptible lines. Feelings, emotions change with the weather. They are not love. And jealousy is a resentment often based on a sense of self-righteousness and selfishness. Love never seeks it own. That’s it quality. Which is why the Agape love is called the unconditional love. Jealousy brings conditionality to love. That’s how it works. Which is why I wasn’t eager to address this topic cos it has no case. Two opposing parallels are irreconcilable.
Katie: OK, why do pple break up, Y do pple break pple heart.
CHRIS: The world thinks love is sex, an emotion or feeling. With this wrong premise, marriages fail, relationships crash, infidelity is on the rise, trust is extinct. Just name it.
Katie: Dat means dey decided to stop loving. Lol.
CHRIS: That’s because there are two sides to love Katie.
BENITA: Oh this conversation is not for me..
CHRIS: One is friendship(delight) love and the other which is unconditional is the Agape love.
Teejay: This view is one of the reasons why divorce is on the rise.
Katie: It’s only God dat has Agape love.
CHRIS: People break up because friendship is about mutual agreements but love(Agape) is unconditional. So, friendship breaks but love doesn’t.
Katie: Noboby can die for anybody, Chris be realistic.
CHRIS: As long as friendship is mutually agreed upon, it will stand the test of time. Love changes whether friendship breaks or not. Lol, I can die for what I’m committed to. Whether a person or ideology. That’s Chris for you.
CHRIS: True Katie. Very few know what love is. 90% are on the deficit.
Katie: better, Thank God u now get my point.
CHRIS: Smiles. My point is that love is the Agape and it has its corresponding Phileo- which is friendship love attached to it. And one cannot impeach love by ascribing the likes of jealousy, feelings, emotions, sex to it. It was designed that a woman responds to a man’s love by friendship and a man commits to her. this balances out the marriage equation. Jealousy is a sin. Love is righteousness. How can they meet?? Someone should explain to me??
Katie: OK, Now I get u.
CHRIS: Only God has the right to be jealous cos He is the righteous one. We don’t have that right. Infact in Zephaniah 1:18- Gods jealousy is described as “the fire of His jealousy.” There is nothing good in jealousy. It is only a fallen self-righteous depravity of mankind in response to envy, resentment etc and not love. If my woman is jealous cos we are in a relationship, then she’s just tripping at that moment in a self-righteous indignation that’s sinful in every appearance. Jealousy isn’t cool. Too bad. I don’t want a jealous lover. I want a selfless, forgiving, tolerable character for a partner. Cos such is what love is made-up of. Gods jealousy is purely judgmental. It accompanies vengeance cos He is the only righteous one. He hasn’t bequeathed on mankind this exclusive privilege to jealousy cos no one is righteous or perfect.
Katie: LOL, Chris
CHRIS: The first time Gods describes Himself as jealous in the bible was a reference to the evil of His followers which would attract a worthy recompense. Infact, Gods jealousy is an exclusive right cos He determines what is right or wrong and not us. So, no one can defend his/her right to be jealous except God. That’s how it works. Guess I’ve exerted enough.
Jude: I have less to say on this, I could understand were Katie is coming from and also were Chris is heading.
Teejay: Jude don turn to GPS.
Jude: My brother, I was just trying to get a good geographical mid point to stand so I could see them well.
CHRIS: Smiles, Teejay’s comic relief.
Michael: Everybody wan dey talk grammar
CHRIS: Michael’s blunt assertion gives me the laughs as well.
Jude: From Katie point of view to love and jealousy, she has a point, it just like wen a husband is always on his computer, the wife would get jealous of that computer, because it is getting all the attention, so she has a point. It happens, and it is so obvious that her attention was altered, So jealousy bound to occur, we are humans and truth be told.
CHRIS: Mm. No point. Mankind’s penchant for jealousy is the same reason someone gets angry and then turns away from it. These are just vacillations, prevarications of human life and they can never epitomise love. Jealousy is a sin. And love is righteous. How can the two meet?
Jude: And from Chris point of view, I have a slight disagreement to that claims, because we are humans, jealousy is not a proof of love, but it is a tendency that is always portrayed wen there is an alteration of attention, My point is it is not a proof of love, but as imperfect humans, we are bound to display that quality, because something was altered, it is wen its been displayed unnecessary, then it called pure selfishness, Thank you.
Michael: Good, everyone has a point tho, Hmmm, I would wonder who the right one is? U all are too focused on either jealousy is the true test of love or not.. Nobody tort of balancing both…
Jude: I made a point on that, wen it is done unnecessary, that wen I regard it as pure selfishness… But if it occur due to the alterations of either attention or other supposed responsibility, then I count it as a normal phenomenon among humans.
Michael: Education is not the true test of knowledge but it is vital, same applies to jealousy, jealousy is not a true proof of love but it’s unavoidable, we are humans, we are not perfect.. Your degree of jealousy might be very low but every human is jealous. In the world we are today, attention and communication is important. The moment you are not receiving that from your partner to a great extent, you begin to doubt and get jealous, no matter how low ur degree of jealousy is…. Lemme state that: No matter how jealous your your partner is, it doesn’t mean he/she is not cheating on you… No matter how unjealous is, it doesn’t mean he/she is cheating… Ladies fall victims to this fact I must say.
Jude: I think Michael and i are thinking alike today, good I commented first, he would have said I just supported him. Katie and I was actually talking on jealousy issues yesterday, and I was Hoping to drop the topic, but good you represented me on than… And for the love being a decision, Chris is very much to b applauded, because love is just more than a feeling, our emotions can deceive if serious consideration’s is not taken, there would always come a time in a relationship you would b so out of it and you are like .. Ohh please let him go fuck himself for all I clear, forgive my language. But at that moment you are off the hook and you almost letting go, the feelings have been altered, and if you don’t have a good reason why you love or make that decision to get committed to one person and your that feels is always altered, that feelings would continue to change until you begin to start looking for every fault he would make, you decide to b committed to that one person, I have personally gotten into this scenario were I had to make a decision not to going into a relationship at one given time, I had feelings for her, but I decided not to going into that relationship with her, immediately my feelings begin to die off,… But I understand your point so well, without feelings there is no agreement….